Discussion

Let us know what you think about any topic related to the Sierra Nevada Adaptive Management Project in the forums below. The Principal Investigators on the UC Science Team cannot answer every post, but they will read all comments in our their areas, and respond to comments as a group at each quarterly meeting. We greatly value your input!

US District Court Decision - Basin Project by Maggi Kelly, at 3:30 p.m. on 14 August 2008,

Judge M. C. England has found in favor of the Forest Service and HFQLG Pilot on 11 out of 12 points in the challenge of the 2004 Sierra Nevada Framework and the Basin Project on the Plumas National Forest. The Decision Document and some content from the document are posted on the discussion site.

New! Map-based discussion here. by Maggi Kelly, at 4:23 p.m. on 1 August 2008,

You can now add a comment that is tied to a place on the map: a point, a line or a polygon. These posts will still be associated with a topic, but they will also show up on the map. On the Discussion Page, go to the "Map" tab and add your comment. Give it a try!

How will research results be translated into alterations of management and policy? Adaptive management often fails to make a difference to the target resource because agencies and stakeholders are excluded from the process of developing the science that informs a decision. Consequently, the research is seen as an academic appendix and of little use to the problems that resource managers face. Is there USFS "buy-in" to the SNAMP priorities, approach and design?

Lynn Huntsinger said at 9:23 p.m. on 3 March 2006 ,

Q: What kinds of stakeholders will be contacted to participate in the adaptive management process? Our goal is to provide various kinds of ways for various kinds of stakeholders to engage in the process, including information sharing and mutual learning meetings, and research planning, monitoring, and interpretation. We will certainly contact local elected officials, community leaders, and all kinds of interested stakeholders in each study area. For example, FireSafe Councils, we expect, will have a strong interest. We also plan to make an effort to bring in people who are not ordinarily at the table.

Q: How much impact will stakeholder decisions have? This in itself is a research question for our team! The comment we received at this website reminded us of this very crucial issue in time for the second workplan draft, and we decided to deal with it overtly as a topic for study. We need to somehow figure in the experimental design and scientific demands of the adaptive management process, complex administrative and legal framework of Forest Service decisionmaking, and the diverse points of view of stakeholders and partners. In our proposal, we state that we are committed to being very upfront about our knowledge of the opportunities and ultimate impact of stakeholder decisions for each phase or topic of the program. In addition, we plan to study how feedback from both scientific results and stakeholders is incorporated into Forest Service management decisions--and our own scientific approaches.

Q: Will direct public input be part of the participatory processes effort? Yes, absolutely. We see direct communication between scientists, managers, and stakeholders as essential to this process. For example, our public meetings are open to all and will continue to be so as long as we can get a room large enough. Direct input from the public will be part of all participatory processes.

Q: What kinds of methods will you be using to reach out to people, in addition to the website?

We are open to suggestions, and appreciate them! In particular, once dedicated personnel are hired to focus on engaging the public, we would expect all possible methods to be on the table for discussion. The main question we addressed to those attending our first public meeting was: how will we know when we have successfully reached out and engaged people? This question remains open!

Q: Why so little time for public input on the draft workplan?

A: We were up against a hard deadline, and basically for all the reasons you can imagine, it took us longer to do the draft than we thought. Remember, we had to put something together that anyone could look at, and that is pretty scary. More relevant, however, is that we are still listening to and will respond to public comment, and we will still use it, most definitely. People have good ideas, and we continue to take advantage of that.

Please accept the our following comments on this study proposal.

  1. The Tahoe National Forest remains committed and excited about hosting this study. We believe that the proposal will improve the design and effectiveness of our projects currently planned for the area, and will also provide important insight that can be used elsewhere on the forest.

  2. We would like to discuss further the anticipated impacts on Water Quantity and Quality. At the scale and intensity that we are working at, we would not anticipate changes in flow regime. We would actually expect greater negative changes in water quality by not managing our watersheds. We need to compare any effects of our management with the anticipated effects of not managing the ecosystem.

  3. In examining wildlife responses to treatments, we hope that your assumptions will include "growing out" the landscape in and around treatments, so as to recognize the dynamic nature of our forests and "suitable habitat".

  4. The proposal will leverage and will likely capitalize on past investments the Region has made in the area. This includes intensive vegetation plots and mapping and Fire Regime Condition Class Mapping, all of which are central to designing effective, integrated vegetation projects.

  5. This draft workplan follows the American River Ranger District outyear vegetation management program. We are very supportive of any effort to learn more about potential treatments for the Manila Canyon design project area. We are also looking forward to learning more about implementation of the Sierra Nevada Forest Plan Amendment 2004 and the adaptive management strategies available to us.

Thank you for the opportunity to participate in this effort.

Jan Cutts District Ranger American River RD/Tahoe NF jcutts@fs.fed.us 530-367-2224

Cynthia Wilkerson said at 5:37 p.m. on 26 February 2006 ,

Please note: I sent a copy of my full letter directly to UC Davis and am now posting the entire letter in each section as it contains reference to each section and should be read in its entirety as opposed to piecemeal.

February 26, 2006

Comments on February 20, 2006 Draft Workplan “Learning how to apply adaptive management to land management in the Sierra Nevada.”

Defenders of Wildlife (“Defenders”) is pleased to submit these comments on the above document (heretofore “Draft Workplan”). Defenders is a national, non-profit wildlife advocacy organization committed to the protection of wild, native plants and animals in their natural communities. We represent over 400,000 members throughout the United States, nearly 100,000 of which reside in California.

Defenders, California Program has a programmatic focus on the Sierra Nevada, with current programs focused on forest carnivores (primarily the Pacific fisher) and impacts of grazing on biodiversity. We were unable to make the initial December 9, 2005 public meeting on the focus of the Draft Workplan, but have submitted some input into that process to date and remain committed to engaging in this process as it moves forward.

Our first comments relates to the unreasonable timeline imposed on public comments to this draft. We were originally informed that we would have one week between February 10th and the 17th to review this draft. The draft was not released until February 21st with a due date of February 26th. We understand that there are tight timelines that the authors are working under, but this should not allow extensions on their part to necessitate unreasonable and unrealistic timelines for public input. At the very minimum, the public should be allowed 2 full working weeks to provide substantive input. In this case, only 4 working days were allotted. Because of this, the only possible way to provide input in our case is to conduct a cursory review over the weekend. This is not an acceptable regime for functional public input.

As for the content of the Draft Workplan itself, we are appreciative of the concerted attempt to design a course of action that is true to the precepts of Adaptive Management and Monitoring to the extent that the proposal incorporates a priori research questions designed to be tested by the management practices which will in turn be responsive to the results of the research.

One main question that we have is why is the approach limited to the west side of the Sierra Nevada only? As the Sierra Nevada Forest Plan Amendment covers both west and east side forest management, it would appear that this would be a major omission.

We are generally supportive of the conceptual framework of using a landscape planning approach at the fireshed level, and incorporating elements of Fire and Forest Health, Public Participation, Water Quality and Quantity, and Wildlife. The following includes our specific comments on each of these sections of the Draft Workplan:

Public Participation:

We appreciate that Public Participation is given equal consideration in this process. It is a critical element to effective development and implementation of an adaptive management approach. In particular, we are pleased to see the call for staff to be wholly responsible for this portion of the Workplan and for the focus on increasing opportunities for input from local stakeholders. We support the general model that the participatory process section lays out. One concern is that the “community of learning” approach may not allow for direct input from the public. This may already be the plan, but we specifically request that direct input be allowed in both the “community of learning” and “community of collaboration” cases.

We support the use of web-based tools, but they must be accompanied by sufficient advertising and instructional outreach to inform people of their availability and how to use them. We also suggest that there be outreach via the public library system to capture the input of publics that may not have to the internet via a personal computer. An outreach element that include public instructional workshops at public libraries could facilitate informed participation to those with and without personal access to the internet. As mentioned previously, the public input time period should be reasonable. Depending on the level of analysis required, this time period should range from a minimum of 2 working weeks for shorter products (such as the 27 page workplan) to up to 3 months for larger documents (on the scale of a traditional NEPA or CEQA document). In addition to the geographically-based web comments, there must also be a section for general comments that are relevant to the entire geographic scope and the process itself.

We also suggest that regional workshops be developed throughout the life of this process where the public can be shown various simulated results of management options being considered. This has been done in regional transportation planning efforts (e.g. SACOG’s Regional Blueprint outreach workshops) and is a very effective educational and participatory tool that would apply to this situation.

For evaluation purposes, we suggest that options for gathering feedback at the time of input on the web system. This could provide general feedback on how long it took to get the input registered, if they felt they had effectively registered their comments, options of improvement, and the ability to capture instances where someone wanted to input something and was unable to do so for stated reasons. This could be done in the form of a pop-up window that folks could choose to complete or not, with response rates also reported.

Water Quality and Quantity: We are generally supportive of the approach outlined under this section. Defenders is particularly pleased to see that standard macro invertebrate indices will be used to determine the biological impacts of the management treatments.

Wildlife: We support the decision to prioritize which species should be the focus of the wildlife impacts analysis. It is not feasible to monitor all potentially affected species. We support the criteria laid out in the Draft Workplan as scientifically sound and would like to ask for one additional criteria. There must be some evidence that the focal species is a valid indicator for the response of a wide variety of other species in order for one or a few species to be used as a proxy for the response of several hundred. We believe that this can be demonstrated for the species currently prioritized by the Draft Workplan.

Additionally, it is important that the impacts to wildlife species also incorporate information regarding the landscape context of management actions. It may very well be that an individual treatment will have a negative impact on the ability of that area to sustain fisher populations. However, of more importance to the larger management throughout the Sierra Nevada is the ability of the entire landscape to provide for the sustainability of the species as a whole. It is possible that small, localized effects can be absorbed by the population if the entire landscape level management allows for viable populations. The authors make reference to this concept when they mention that treatments may very well lead to population sinks for a species. The availability of nearby population sources/ refugia and their ability to allow ultimate persistence of the species should be the focus of the wildlife analysis.

Defenders strongly agrees with the assertion that “simply documenting that some species will respond favorably [to the proposed treatment] will not solve the management dilemma we are attempting to resolve.” Beyond the implications of the public needing to understand and support the process and management results of the monitoring, we submit that all monitoring must be targeted at asking a question that is relevant to and result in direction to the management program.

Defenders is very concerned over the issue of the local extirpation in the northern study site. We do support the suggestion by the document that reintroduction could provide insight into the adaptive management process. We caution that the use of standards set by other successful fisher reintroductions be followed, and are specifically concerned about the ability of a source population from California to maintain the level of removals needed to establish a viable population. We have conducted a workshop on criteria for successful fisher reintroductions and ask that these guidelines be used as well as the methodology of a detailed and considered feasibility assessment and implementation plan that are both available for public review be included in any reintroduction efforts. These efforts must be conducted in the context of fisher conservation efforts throughout the west and in California. That said, we assert that a well-designed reintroduction to the northern Sierra would provide substantial conservation benefits to the species as well as critical information for the overall goals of the Draft Workplan.

Conclusion: Finally, we support the ambitious and reasoned scientific approach that the Draft Workplan lays out and caution that cost not be used an excuse for complete inaction. We look forward to continued participation in the on-going program of Adaptive Management and Monitoring in the Sierra Nevada. Should you have any questions, I can be contacted directly at: 916-313-5800 ext. 110 or cwilkerson@defenders.org.

Sincerely,

Cynthia Wilkerson California Representative

Defenders of Wildlife 1303 J Street, Suite 270 Sacramento, CA 95814

Draft Workplan (2/22) - pp. 1-4 talk about adaptive management and experimentation but then only focuses on the "explicit landscape palnning approach using the fireshed/SPLATs hypothesis. The "experiments" on the Blacks Mtn. and Blodgett Experimental Forests as well as the QLG are certainly other approaches that should be addressed.

If we're truly interested in "adaptive management", then we should be focused on providing opportunities to do "experiments" outside of the standards and guidelines of current management direction and to do it at multiple scales. The current Blacks Mountain and Blodgett Experimental Forests are two small to address landscape or bioregion scales. We need one or more Experimental Forests whose boundaries would be an entire national forest.

Lynn Huntsinger said at 1:12 p.m. on 19 January 2006 ,

Comments fell into 6 categories:

  1. How do you define adaptive management?
  2. How can we review the workplan and other documents?
  3. Have you thought about using appeals to help decide on research and participation topics?
  4. How long will UC be involved in the project?
  5. The Pacific Fisher management needs transparency and change. Will you address this?
  6. Will you be evaluating Forest Service stewardship and other projects?
Q: How do you define adaptive management? A: We have been refining our definition and have come up with the following statement: Adaptive management acknowledges uncertainty and the need to learn. The term "adaptive" refers to managers learning about systems as they attempt to manage them. Our adaptive management process incorporates scientist, stakeholder, and manager knowledge and ideas, as well as scientific information, in the development of hypotheses and goals, and is designed to improve information about the ecosystem over time. We seek to engage scientists, stakeholders, and managers in a long-term relationship grounded in shared learning about the ecosystem and society, and we expect objectives to change as society, environment, knowledge, and science change . Adaptive management incorporates stakeholder participation in order to get increased and broader information and make higher quality decisions. Participation takes time, and does not necessarily reduce conflict, but successful participation develops a process that builds trust.

Q: How can we review the workplan and other documents? A: We will post documents to the website, including iterations. If you need a paper copy, we will provide it upon request.

Q: Have you thought about using appeals to help decide on research and participation topics? A: No, we have not done that, but it is an interesting idea and we will explore it.

Q: How long will UC be involved in the project? A: We will be involved as long as we have adequate funding, believe we can make a useful contribution, and there are opportunities for independent research and for education and outreach. Only with adequate resources can we do the job properly, including making a commitment to being involved for several years. At this point we are developing a proposal for a longer term project.

Q: The Pacific Fisher management needs transparency and change. Will you address this? A: We are devoting considerable time to considering the feasibility of the Fisher as a subject for research in this project.

Q: Will you be evaluating Forest Service stewardship and other projects? A: The goal of this project is to develop an adaptive management process for implementing the Sierra Plan. UC will act as a neutral third party in the process, and will explore ways to increase levels of trust and communication.

Dec. 9th Meeting Participant said at 8:53 p.m. on 6 January 2006 ,

Lots of distrust within local communities about government research programs; need long-term UC involvement as a buffer, to ensure information comes out.

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